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28 children murdered…. yet another school massacre

February 28, 2018


Routers/APIE news….. February 23 An unidentified Illinois high school student drove a stolen truck into a crowd of children leaving school at the end of the day. Authorities said that there were 28 known fatalities and an additional 47 were taken to hospitals with serious injuries. As the perpetrator was taken into custody he is quoted as saying, “who needs a gun I killed more than that kid in Florida”.

Mark Dembrowski a democratic state senator is now pushing for laws restricting use of personal vehicles. He is quoted as saying he wants to see everyone made to use driverless vehicles that can be tracked and disabled by the government by 2020. He has said he is following in other Illinois representatives footsteps because they passed some of the toughest guns laws in the nation when there was 13,286 deaths caused by firearms, so he believes he is on solid ground because there were more death’s 37,461 caused by automobiles in 2016. As Mr. Dembrowski left his office surrounded by armed security and entered his bulletproof car he was quoted as saying “no one should be allowed access to things that can cause the death of another”.

….back to reality
We all know no one is going to restrict access to our cars, well not all at once anyway. But seriously folks banning the ownership of firearms is first off impossible and second will not solve the problem because just like criminals if some crazy person, (child or adult), wants to shoot hundreds of people bad enough he will find a way to get a gun even if they were outlawed.

….and why hasn’t someone brought up the point that for decades, like in the 40’s and 50’s, there were never any shootings like we have today in schools, yet our gun laws were far less strict than today and guns for sale were just as available as today. Doesn’t that point to the fact that its not the guns or gun laws that need to be changed but the things that motivate these criminals?

It seems like every time there is a mass shooting

there is also a call to ban assault rifles

why is it any different

than someone using an automobile to

murder 80 people on a NY bike path in 2017

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  1. February 28, 2018 1:42 pm

    1) The U.S. has a unique problem of gun violence.
    2) The U.S. is also flooded with guns.
    3) Conclusion: Gun violence has to do with guns.

    Addressing violence in a general sense or mental illness in a general sense isn’t going to cut it. (Besides, it’s more than a little disingenous to hear pundits wax eloquently about how it’s all about mental illness, etc., but then these same folks advocate deep cuts in the kinds of social spending that address mental illness.)

    Other nations who ban guns don’t have the high levels of gun violence that we see. Little ole Rhode Island got their act together and passed very strict laws on guns, and they don’t see the high levels of gun violence that other states see.

    I don’t really have a strong opinion one way or the other, believe it or not. As someone who lives rural, I think hunters should have access to guns, etc. I just find that pro-gun folks, like yourself, aren’t being very genuine or straight-forward in the discussion, and I find that quite disheartening, considering that innocent kids keep getting killed.

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    • February 28, 2018 7:11 pm

      Jonathan, I’m not trying to argue or anything, but I’m just curious if you have actually looked at the statistics. If you check it out, most shootings tend to be done in supposed “gun-free” zones. Also, Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world and from what I’ve seen, it’s estimated that 1 in 2 citizens own guns.

      Another interesting fact is that if you research it, a lot of the shooters in this country are on some kind of drugs, usually legal or medical ones like antidepressants. The problem is not the guns, it is the mental state of many American citizens.

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      • February 28, 2018 7:18 pm

        Thanks Leah. My three points, listed above had to do specifically with the nation being flooded with guns along with the fact that we have a problem of gun violence. I’m suggesting we make a correlation between the two. There are exceptions — there are nations like Switzerland, for example — but as a general rule, most developed nations find that taking the guns out of circulation reduces gun violence. If you have a better idea, I and many others are happy to entertain it, but what is discouraging is that most people can’t acknowledge that gun violence can’t exist without guns, and we in the U.S. are flooded with firearms.

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      • February 28, 2018 7:34 pm

        I see your point, and it’s not a bad one. The problem is that you cannot keep people from getting guns altogether. If you make them illegal, then the only people left with guns will be 1) criminals, and 2) the government, and personally I would list those as the last 2 groups I want to have guns.

        Again, not to argue really…I actually find your points interesting even if I disagree.

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    • March 6, 2018 12:12 pm

      Such logic displayed at the opening of the above supports something along these lines:
      1.) God is Love
      2.) Love is blind
      3.) Ray Charles is blind
      4.) Ray Charles is God
      As to Rhode Island’s strict gun controls I suppose Chicago’s even more strict gun controls have made a difference in that city’s disgusting gun related death toll..? I find this kind of logic to be even more disingenuous…


  2. unalaska permalink
    February 28, 2018 4:05 pm

    I simply see no reason for assault weapons. The definition varies, but usually includes semi-automatic firearms with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, and sometimes other features such as a flash suppressor or barrel shroud. In general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use. What reasonable person needs that?

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  3. February 28, 2018 7:02 pm

    “Unalaska”, with all respect to your comment, let me tell you why citizens need guns like that. This is the whole reason for the second amendment. Citizens need to have powerful weapons and be completely able to defend themselves because if they can’t then the government will turn them into slaves and take advantage of them, just like the powerful English government was trying to force the colonies to obey it back in the 1700’s.

    Citizens don’t need the right to bear arms so that they can go to war with other countries…it is so they can defend themselves from corruption within the country. That is also why the government pushes gun control…not for our safety, but so we cannot defend ourselves against them.

    As a last note, the 2nd amendment says that “the right to bear arms shall not be INFRINGED”. That means that legally, the government cannot make any laws controlling weapons to any extent whatsoever unless they were to amend the constitution again. So all of their restrictive laws are technically unconstitutional, and since the government has proven itself untrustworthy in this area, it is not at all unlikely that they will be in other areas too.

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    • February 28, 2018 7:15 pm

      Leah, do you sincerely believe that having a basement full of guns and ammo will protect you from the U.S. government? Do you think that you could defend yourself from a drone strike, for example?

      I sympathize with your sentiments of a corrupt government, but on the other hand, we the people have done virtually nothing to defund the military, on the contrary we sort of give them a blank check every year. (Military spending in the U.S. is far, far higher than any other nation in the world.) Many of the weaponry used by the military become hand-me-downs for local police forces. So, I would humbly suggest that if you are sincere in your sentiment that the government is corrupt and a threat to your safety, may I ask that you become active in defunding the military? Can we both agree to defang the beast?

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      • February 28, 2018 7:26 pm

        No, you’re right, I don’t believe that I could do that. BUT what if every citizen had the right to whatever weapons they wanted? Since the people far outnumber the government, even if we didn’t have quite as good technology, we would still be able to stand up to them.

        I do agree that the amount of money spent on military is outrageous, and I also think most of the wars if not all that we are fighting in are completely wrong. I disagree with about 99% of stuff the government is spending money on and I wish I could stop paying taxes all together. I’d like to move out of the country honestly.

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    • unalaska permalink
      February 28, 2018 11:08 pm

      Leah, with all due respect, your take on the 2nd Ammendment is far different from mine. Certainly the words are written, but the context has changed drastically over the years. I guess if I wanted you to be armed to the teeth to protect me, I would muster you into my town, city, or state militia. I would give you the right to protect me. If you were a n’er do well, mentally ill, or a criminal, you would be banned from my militia and would have no right to be armed with anything. Words and meanings are near impossible to decipher after years of passage of time and change. I’ve said it before, and I’ll most likely say it again…everything changes. The Constitution was written with the knowledge that it would need to be ammended and changed. Well, the times they are a changing.


      • February 28, 2018 11:26 pm

        I disagree. I don’t think it could possibly be more clear. I think people purposefully confuse it so that citizens will give away their rights. Also, criminals will get weapons whether it is legal or not. Laws do not stop them.

        Yes, the founding fathers provided a way for it to be amended but instead of amending it, officials just do their thing anyway. That was my point.

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  4. February 28, 2018 7:33 pm

    The AR15s used are NOT assault rifles. Assault rifles are The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as “short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges.”[16] In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[2][3][4]

    It must be capable of selective fire.
    It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle, such as the 7.92×33mm Kurz, the 7.62x39mm and the 5.56x45mm NATO.
    Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.[5]
    It must have an effective range of at least 300 metres (330 yards).
    Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles, despite frequently being called such.

    For example:

    Select-fire M2 Carbines are not assault rifles; their effective range is only 200 yards.[17]
    Select-fire rifles such as the FN FAL battle rifle are not assault rifles; they fire full-powered rifle cartridges.
    Semi-automatic-only rifles like the Colt AR-15 are not assault rifles; they do not have select-fire capabilities.
    It seems if a child is killed by a mental unstable person with an AR15 everyone cares. There were over 650,000 abortions last year. Where was the out rage. At those numbers it is pretty obvious abortion is being used for birth control.
    Last I can’t believe any educated person thinks banning ARs will stop the killings. The guns will still be available but through a different distributor. Criminals will be selling them. It will work as well as the war on drugs.

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    • March 2, 2018 12:07 pm

      Actually we don’t have to speculate on what works and what doesn’t work. Most developed nations don’t give people easy access to guns, either that or they virtually eliminate guns. The result is that they don’t have gun violence. Gun violence is impossible without guns. It’s obvious. I’m not saying the U.S. should go down that road, as I said, I’m somewhat ambivalent. It’s just that the pro-gun crowd doesn’t acknowledge that gun violence is a gun problem, and many reasonable minded people find this to be more than a little disingenuous.


  5. Del permalink
    March 1, 2018 12:01 pm

    Very good points on all sides here but Leah is hitting it out of the park! Why would you WANT to be controlled by a Government that is SOOO corrupt that you would want them to control every aspect of your life…. The founding fathers are rolling in their graves….
    Point in case. The Gov. whether it was on the federal or local completely failed in all aspects of the Groveland High shooting…… Gov. failed miserably! And Leah I am tired of paying taxes as well as they just piss the $ away…
    Sad it is….

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    • March 2, 2018 12:14 pm

      If the government is sooo corrupt, as you say, then why do we give them a blank check on military spending? And I’d the government is sooo corrupt – and I tend to think it is – then why not work on reforming the democratic process so that the government reflects the will of the people?…..It’s hard for me to really believe that people are actually attempting to make serious points about gun control when they start chasing red herrings like abortion or the corruption of our democracy. Those may be legitimate issues to address, but the topic at hand is gun violence. Why is it that in a discussion on gun violence people are happy to discuss abortion and corruption in government but can’t actually bring themselves to seriously engage the “gun” element in “gun violence”?

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  6. Jon permalink
    March 3, 2018 9:49 pm

    Very interesting discussion on here. One of the best in a long time. so let me ruin it by saying why not ban everything that has ever killed or injured someone? :)


  7. Del Hoskins permalink
    March 5, 2018 2:17 pm

    Well Jonathon I get your point but really come on, the gun doesn’t kill its the person pulling the trigger its an object like a vehicle or whatever.(Doctors too!!) Not all but I believe they’re more deaths by misdiagnosis that than guns or Opioids being over prescribed. You would have to admit that…
    I see the gun debate as a rouse for MORE gov control…. Like we need more of that… And in no way can you compare the US to other so called developed countries that don’t have a Constitution or a bill of rights like the US. That’s why this country is what it is. A free nation! No other Nation in the world is like it!..

    And I would rather fund a military to protect US (instead of a study funded by tax dollars) or else we would not be the great country we are even with the divisions of both parties.. Did you read any of the BS in Sen.Lankford report that is tax payer funded? Its appalling!
    And yes our Gov is corrupt in both parties…. Once you get in the club you come out a millionaire on the backs of the tax payers and through K street as well.
    This country is soo bloated with dept that was created by both sides, that if we don’t address that I see Rome in your future and it won’t be mine as I will probably be gone by then… (I just hope SS will be around when I retire)… It will be on the backs of our children and my grandchildren… Sad to think about that…

    Also, we as a group, really can’t do anything except go with the flow anymore and voice our opinions. And that’s all they are opinions.. Because Big Gov and the lame stream media socials are trying to shut us up….

    Oh, My Grandpa was James T Hutchison one of the toughest men I ever knew that pioneered the Great state of Alaska at 14.. He worked until he was 88 and passed when he was 96 he was born in 1900… Most of us here wouldn’t even know how to act or survive back then. Wow I can only imagine how it was… Now that’s the America I would like to see come back… Well up there anyway… Mom raised us in Florida but I did live in Ak from Nome to Eureka off the grid like PETE…… Good times remembered! Right Pete????

    Anyways you have all been great here.. Keep up the good work Pete…… Del


    • March 5, 2018 2:46 pm

      Thanks Del. I’ll look up your link.

      As far as guns are concerned, it’s simply incorrect to say that guns don’t kill people. Without guns, there is no gun violence. Given your nostalgia for the old days, I would think that this would be self-evident to you. When reliable weapons came onto the scene it changed life for people on the frontier. If you only have knives and spears and crude bows and arrors, you’re a bit limited as a hunter. Simply put, modern weaponry makes it easier to kill. That’s what guns do, they make killing easy and efficient. So when you say that guns don’t kill people, it implies that you’re out of touch with something that an old frontier Alaskan would have found pretty obvious.

      In terms of the compromises to our democracy and the degeneration of our culture and society, I think that’s just a natural outworking of unregulated capitalism. Capitalism isn’t about big government or small government, it’s about who owns capital. (One way that I look at it: it isn’t the size of government that matters, it’s how you use it.) The problem is that under capitalism, wealth ends up being concentrated in the hands of the few. That’s what gives rise to K Street matters. Lobbyists control legislation, as you’ve noted, but corporations can’t control government if they don’t have mass amounts of wealth to draw on.

      I think that the old timers like Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin has some excellent insights by way of freedom, liberty, and self-governance; but unfettered capitalism has essentially turned our nation into a corporate-run, for-profit entity, and the result is a dehumanization and a disconnect from the kind of self-determination envisioned by icons like Franklin and Jefferson. It’s also given rise to the disgusting and grotesque forms of consumerism that are harming people and planet. Of course, Franklin and Jeff could never have anticipated the death and destruction that would come later, from industrial capitalism. That happened well after their time.

      I do sympathize with some of your deeper concerns, even if I disagree on how you’re construing gun control and the size of government.


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  8. Del Hoskins permalink
    March 5, 2018 2:30 pm

    Jonathan, Here is a fellow blogger which I follow… Had very good points..


  9. Del permalink
    March 5, 2018 3:48 pm

    Well I guess you should blame the Japanese for inventing the gun or smoke pole then!.. You’re a hoot Jonathan I would love to spend the summer with you in McCarthy and take you into the woods you with a knife and spear and me with my 50AE and I will defend you when big mamma sow Grizz comes strolling along with cubs.. I think you know what I mean.. Yea it was tough back then and you needed that tool just to Survive! I guess like the police do in the big cities that have the most stringent gun laws…. Thats why i want my gun to defend against a tyrannical Gov. Isn’t that what the 2nd amendment is about?
    I get gun can be a tool to kill but so can soo many other things… I remember back when I was younger I hit a guy so hard with my fist I thought I killed him! He stopped breathing! But he came too but that did not stop me from defending myself……Scared the sheit of of me. Now I use a little restraint before I act like I do with a gun but have NEVER used one on a human but I would if I felt I needed to. But in this country we have that right.. Why would you want to take a right that would defend yourself or family? I don’t want to live in a Socialist country would you?
    As for Capitalism there been so much more good that has been done under capitalism then socialism.. The Pilgrims tried it and i failed miserably.

    And plus if I was caught at work in a socialistic country writing from work they would probably shoot me!!! Venezuela is socialist aren’t they??? Respectfully Del Now this is what America is about! Being able to debate…. Keep it up Pete……


  10. March 6, 2018 12:17 pm

    Great piece, Pete! Your points are typically salient and presented in a cogent fashion…


  11. March 6, 2018 12:34 pm

    This blog posting has elicited quite a number of comments and this is good to be able to air both sides of the coin without the overtly hostile confrontations we see so often today.

    I thank everyone for taking the time to comment

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